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Well, I believe it is time I put my two cents into this, because this topic has gotten off the main subject.

Harassment is defined as "aggressive pressure or intimidation." Bocchiere, you have no right to state that they are "harassing" you when you have forced others to do things your way, or not at all. Here, again, you are attempting to do that, but this trial is not simply about the swords, it is about your behavior since the very beginning of your administration. This is our formal complaint- not harassment- and you essentially have no choice but to listen and shape up, or ship out. This is an informal democracy, not a monarchy, as you so seem to believe. Why this has become primarily about the swords, I do not know, but it’s only partially relevant to the actual situation here.

First, allow me to address this post I happened to stumble upon and point out all the hypocritical statements you have made, followed by examples that I have personally witnessed.

The rules are the rules and the unclaimed swords were given to new people. As I mentioned on the wiki I was open to multiple options like doing an rp, doing a fight, whatevs, and I still am. When they decide they're tired of being salty and want to do something like that I'll be here. As we see from the get go at least, Kiri is going with the tried and true, "Screw you everything is done our way." They've relied on for the past decade or so. The controlling majority does not seem open to any compromise. It's either exactly what they want or nothing. 

[Forum post made March 5, 2016 by Bocchiere]



"The rules are the rules . . ." Okay, then explain why you have been bending them to your needs and then straightening them out when you are ready to use them against someone else? For example, your "Wiki War" policy you seem to have adopted for the sole purpose of stopping people from removing your edits on the Claimed List. Granted, some wars have started in the past due to disputes, but you have taken it too far. You have quite literally started a number of them as of late and threatened the editors with temporary and permanent bans. Let us not forget poor Yomi, whose single act of editing resulted in her banning from the site for several days (a week, I believe). Now, you and your lovely little friends may argue "I (He) told her no edit warring and she edited the list anyway, so it is not unfair, it is following the rules." Permit me to be blunt in saying that you are wasting your time in even trying to argue that. The techniques you removed were not discussed- at all. I read you "Cleaning up the Claimed List" post on the forum and nowhere did you say anything about the removal of those jutsu (unless I have missed something, then please send me a link). Yomi was not in the wrong. Did you even bother to tell her what you were doing? You are both working together, so are you communicating with one another at all? I doubt it, because her banning would not have happened in the first place.

Moving on, ". . . the unclaimed swords were given to new people." That's great and all, but how about you try not being biased and giving them to your dear friends? You scream about compromise and yet I see no attempt at trying to do so, and do not bring up that “RP that we stole it” excuse as “compromise,” because unless you actually RP stealing them, Kirigakure has no reason to hunt your carcass down; instead, you give the rather hopeless secondary excuse that "Kiri never compromises." Did you expect them to take this any better? Honestly, this was just an attempt to stir up the metaphorical hornet nest if I have ever seen it. If you want compromise, why did you not make an attempt to give the swords to people  in Kirigakure  before giving them to other people? Better yet, why did you not make a forum/wiki post about it, or speak with one of the sword holders about your idea of giving their items away? I was inclined to simply remove the swords from the list altogether when I saw this  improper  behavior, but I stopped myself and decided I had held my tongue on this matter long enough. The list of reasons you should be removed is getting longer. Mistakes can be made, yes, but when you begin to act tyrannical, it's time for a change.

<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Next, "As we see from the go at least, Kiri is going with the tried and true, 'Screw you everything is done our way.' They've relied on for the past decade or so. The controlling majority does not seem open to any compromise. It's either exactly what they want or nothing." So, I've already touched on this compromise bit, but I will hit it again, because this is just too hypocritical for me to stomach. So, you are saying that Kiri never compromises, yet you are one of the very people that never wants to compromise with anyone. In fact, I do believe you have stated two or three times in this very discussion that your decisions were "not up for discussion." Interesting, so our Wiki overlord does not want to be questioned and refuses to let his actions be disputed? That is  not compromise. That is  blatant tyranny. So quick to point the finger, yet oblivious to the fact that it can be pointed right back at you. Again, I will voice the idea that, perhaps, you should (strongly) consider removing your dear friends from the list and seeking out someone (anyone) to give them to in Kiri. They are Kirigakure's swords and no one seemed to have a problem with that except you and your backup, because it benefitted you to have an issue with it. No, Bocchiere, people have not been "afraid" to say anything to Kirigakure in fear of being verbally attacked, they have not said anything because no one other than you cared what they did with  their  swords. Allow me to point back at a post you made about the Konoha Chakra Blade in order to further cement my point here:

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<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Alright, first and foremost, this was posted to compare that situation with this one. Granted, the blade is not that special, but that is not the point. My point is that the Seven Swords are very special and belong solely to Kirigakure, and no one that was given one of these swords (illegally) is part of Kirigakure, and, based on his own wording of the above post, they should not have it in the first place if not part of the village; perhaps they were at some point, but they are not anymore and should have no right to hold one. But wait- there is more. Because Bocchiere has even stated that these swords are "not that special" and that even his own custom swords are better than them, they could be considered 'standard' weapons. According to your post, they should not even be on the Claimed List, and no one other than Kirigakure's forces should try claiming them because the swords are from Kirigakure. You  took the Konoha Chakra Blade down based on the aforementioned reasons, so the swords should not even be up there for you to claim in the first place. So why are they? Because they belong to an elite  Kirigakure  force that has earned them. Neither you, nor your friends, has earned them and no one else has either- they belong to Kirigakure and are theirs to do with as they please. Now that this whole "compromise" issue has been thoroughly beaten, I'll move to the fact that it was stated Kirigakure uses the "tried and true" method of "my way or the highway," in essence, according to the previous post. I feel as if I'm repeating myself here when I say that you are the exact same way. The "Wiki War" policy is one way that you mask this nature.

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<p style="margin:12pt0in;line-height:15.75pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Ah, but my post is not done yet. Let us move on to other things you have done that warranted this trial in the first place. I will, however, be repeating myself multiple times, so bear with me.

<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;">''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0in;">"It is not open for discussion" (in regards to edits made). ''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">

<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;">''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0in;">Giving claimed items to friends without the consent of the holders. ''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">

<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;">''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0in;">Trying to wield the "inactivity" clause without actually obeying it. ''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">

<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;">''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0in;">Banning Yomi for one edit. ''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">

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<p style="margin:12pt0in;line-height:15.75pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">I will address this first part of "It is not open for discussion" in regards to edits you have made. Do you not see the error in this statement? I will explain it regardless to make the point stronger. This statement proves you are unfit to have any administrative power on this site, because regardless of what you think is your job, barring people from making edits against your wishes is not part of the job description. They have rights and you are revoking them. It is actually open for discussion, because that is how the site is run. You cannot choose who is and is not permitted to make edits, and you certainly have no authority to threaten people for no reason, like Kayenta or Xia. Not only is this statement revealing of your abuse in power, it also says to the players of the community that you don’t have enough respect for them to even listen to what they have to say, despite the fact that they may very well have a decent argument.

<p style="margin:12pt0in;line-height:15.75pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">"Giving claims to friends without the consent of holders." Yes, you have just broken a Wiki rule. Congrats. Not only are you displaying favoritism, you are also showing you have no respect for the rules. This particular paragraph will tie in the inactivity clause you seem so fond of waving around, so let's get to it. First of all, your friends do not qualify for the swords based on previously explained evidence: the swords belong to Kirigakure and you have illegally attempted to distribute them. Yet for some reason you have just up and given them to your friends- seems like a politician giving his friends roles in government policy, regardless of their qualifications. Not only is that not attempting to compromise with Kirigakure at all (see previous paragraphs), it's showing favoritism (something an administrator should not be doing) and you are disobeying Wiki rules. How? Simple. The "inactivity clause" you so fondly wielded into battle states that people who are inactive for (roughly) sixty to ninety days (I've always heard it as ninety and there is no 'set' time) both in RP and OOCly can have their claimed items revoked, but wait! Gitsune has pulled out the swords and used them on more than one occasion, and is an active member of the community, so what gives? Oh, so you don't consider that appropriate reasoning because...

<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0in;">"That is a loophole in the rules and one that I am not allowing. You could keep the swords sealed away for 89 days, dust them off and swing them around, and then put them back in storage. " <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">

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<p style="margin:12pt0in;line-height:15.75pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Au contraire! That is the very definition of activity: "The condition in which things are happening or being done." It is not a "loophole" when the user has participated in public spars and RPs and used the swords on various occasions in the public view. That is actively using an item, and she is not waiting the day before time is up to do it; she does this frequently, to my understanding. It would be different if she never used the sword in public, but she has. Coupled with this and the eye-witness testimony of not only myself, but any individual that has zoned with her, your point is invalid and you are therefore breaking Wiki rules by giving a claimed item away. That alone should get you banned from your administrative position for an extended period of time, not to mention all of these other transgressions.

<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">On to my next point: banning Yomi for a single edit. I will repeat myself on this point, because this was absolutely abhorrent on your part. Yes, you can claim you warned everyone not to start an edit war, but it was you who started it in the first place, if memory serves. Edit warring is simply removing or undoing the edit of another person- at least, that is apparently your definition of it. Did you even stop to think that she had no idea why things were missing and just tried to fix them? Did you even bother to consider that she may have thought the list broke (as it has in the past) and made an effort to return it to its original state (as she has done in the past)? Another important question would be: did you communicate with her to tell her what was going on? I'll answer that with a  no  because I am certain you did not, or it would not have happened in the first place. You seem to have forgotten that Yomi is still your co-administrator, so you have to treat her properly, or else you are violating all sorts of standards that can get you removed. As it stands, you violated those standards of treatment by removing her ability to perform her job.

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<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Now, we have come to the end of my list of issues with your actions, but there is a couple more things that are nagging me. First of all, you have mentioned multiple times that a vague amount of "people" have issues with Kirigakure, think the swords should be distributed, and so on. I'm not asking for the names of these people, but if the community at large is unaware of what you're talking about, it's safe to say that these "people" are your supporters- your friends. Their opinions are not the community's majority opinion, so cease using them to push your agenda. Post forum inquiries and wiki discussions about topics to get an actual feel for what people think, because I see no topic on the forum where the "majority" of people have stated that the swords need to be distributed to anyone on the site so that they are active (at least not a recent, or topic-appropriate one). Again, you are pushing your own agenda and again I say that you should seek to compromise (if absolutely nothing else) by distributing the swords  among members of Kirigakure  (I do not know how many times I have to reiterate this simple solution). Another thing I have a problem with is the fact you are blatantly ignoring our accusations, or pushing blame elsewhere;Kirigakure is not on trial. We are talking about  your  current transgressions and what  you  have done to earn the ire of SL in terms of administrative decisions.

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<p style="margin:12pt0in;line-height:15.75pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">That's all I have to say, and I will observe the results. Good luck, ladies and gentlemen.

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