Thread:Ain Soph Aur/@comment-24937313-20140605042050/@comment-4556304-20140605161844

Tsutaurushi wrote: Now I will reply to this next guy above me. Your first statement in your entire paragraph is false: the only way anyone has access immortality is through near unlimited chakra supply: a tailed beast. Now, where does one get a tailed beast? Oh, right, fighting off the entire Akatsuki or fighting someone else, right? Yeah, that seems like a lot of work to get temporary immortality.

Yumei even stated himself that Hashirama does not need Sage Mode to activate this, so why are we still even discussing this? Then you have just stated that its influence may be lesser if not under Sage Mode, again assuming that it is not a Sage Mode or Senjutsu technique. There we have it, this is not a Sage Mode or Senjutsu technique, admitted by both parties unintentionally, but done so nevertheless.

Again, I say this has no connections with any sort of natural energy induced Sage Mode when both of you have admitted it does not require Sage mode to initiate, so please reattach my name and this technique to the claimed list.

To be honest, there is nothing stopping me from doing it myself or using it without your consent, because these theories have no grounds and my facts have dispelled them one after another, so this back and forth is really going nowhere and proving me more right to those that already agree with me. If the main wiki that we base this fandom on says nothing about Sage mode, and there is no actual proof that it relies on Sage Mode, why create it as a Sage Mode or Senjutsu technique?

Thank you, once again, for reading. My argument isn't that you need Sage Mode for this, nor that it's Senjutsu. It's more towards the effects of it when NOT under the influence of Senjutsu chakra. The original article itself gets it's source and speculation from the only time the technique has been visibly shown: Under Madara's use while having Hashirama's DNA in Sage Mode. This is why I disagree with the original article, which states that it can automatically heal injuries within moments. Even injuries brought upon by all nine Tailed Beasts are healed like nothing at all, (except for the loss of an arm) without regards or consideration that Madara's body had been under the influence of those two above factors, Hashirama's DNA and Sage Mode.

Now let's break down what these two major factors can do.

Sage Mode's major contributing factors are the following. So with Madara under thant influence, his body would be able to take quite a beating. Even other Sage Mode users have been shown to be a lot more durable while in it. There's also the fact that any and all normal jutsu are super-powered while under the effects of it.
 * The user's physical strength, speed, stamina, reflexes, perception and durability dramatically increase.
 * The user's ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu become substantially more powerful.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_Mode#Advantages

Hashirama's contributing factors from his DNA was his natural vitality, which is contributed from his strong life force, strength and chakra prowess. (Note that anybody who is or claims to be any part Senju has this on SL.)

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Hashirama_Senju#Chakra

In the way which Madara has been shown to make use of this ability, the above two factors are vital and important in it's effectiveness. Now strip away these two factors, and we have a much watered-down version of this, to the point of the Strength of a Hundred Seal's effects being much superior to it, and even moreso if these two important factors were applied to it too.

Now I've read over your bio, and it seems you don't have neither of those two important factors. So what I'm asking is, claim it but modify it to the point of it being nerfed to a level where it is sensible (lesser than Strength of a Hundred Seal's effects). If you want to contest the extent of this techniques unaided abilities further, then I suggest to take the discussion here to the SL forums. I will provide my reasoning if you provide yours to the public. But otherwise, just claim and nerf it.

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/board,5.0.html