All posts by Bocchi-chan

Just as a point of reference, it says I changed from bureacrat, admin, and poweruser to just poweruser. As you can see in the first screenshot there is no option to make someone a power user. It is something wiki central does and it is a posistion that does not actually grant any abilities, just in case people are scared I'm trying to fool them by keeping one high level posistion or something. 

The voting can cease now, I've removed all admin powers from my acccount, I should just be a regular user now, if Yomi could double check though that would be great. 

But you did disagree with people enough to get removed as a GM and such. Is that relevant? No. But if we're going to discuss the full gambit of everything we've done over the past decade why not?

It doesn't really matter what I say since you keep bringing it back to, "And I won't believe what you say anyway." I don't care at this point. I'm no worse than any one of you, just different, and I'll accept whatever outcome we get. 

I was calling him a lair for saying I tried to force people to do anything on SL about the wiki changes when I've explicity said the opposite. I can literally say, "I don't care what you do on SL." and be accussed of trying to manipulat what people do on SL anyway. 

Do I get mean? Yes. Sorry. But as I've said before you Kay, and most of the rest of you are guilty of the same things you accuse me of time and time again. I don't save the pm's or anything because I don't need proof to convince anyone from SL that we're all jerks. You're all just better at not being as public about it as me and that's really what it comes down to each time. If that's going to be enough to end me than I guess I don't belong here. Like I said we'll find out where everything lands sooner rather than later. 

Yet you provide no proof of any such numerous examples. Just like Kiri provided no evidence of anything either, just their own thoughts and opinions about me. Yeah the people "standing up" to me. Ok. Manipulate however you want man. It's all up in the air now and we just need to see where everything falls. 

Myself and Yomi will not be voting to keep things fair but that doesn't mean I'm making no comments. That is a blatant lie. I said many times I have no power on SL and do not care what people do, claim, or rp on SL. My only concern was enforcing the rules on the wiki as I knew them.

What can I say? You all tell me why I did these things for awful selfish reasons and I could write a 20 page diatribe explaining them again and you'd just say you don't believe me or I'm lying to suit my own gains. 

People like Kiri having been gaming the system on this site for years to get away with whatever they could and all I see from this situation is that someone who has no qualms about knocking their bs down has gained a little bit of power over them, that being the wiki admin spot as insignificant as that is, and they're terrified that their ride is over. All that's left is to find out if they are the majorty or not I guess. 

Which is why I apologized and updated the rules on the claims list page. Don't want that confusion going on again. This is not the first time the rule was inacted though. 

I've returned the two swords my characters had out of pity and the scrolls goes to Shadow or Ryoji, whoever wants it. So I no longer have any stake in this. You all know my opinion on the matter as a wiki staff member and the decision I've made regarding the inactivity clause. If Xia wants to continue to debase himself till the other two feel bad enough to return their swords that's up to him. 

I wouldn't expect you to be able to be able to wrap your head around it Warren. As your behaviour with the bijuu has shown you also fall firmly with the, "What are rules and how do they work?" club. By the way did you actually think you weren't breaking the bijuu rules? Or do you just have such a low opinion of us that you actually thought none of us would notice you blowing off 100% of your challengers? I guess we're more similar than you might think. 

Xia I have nothing further to say to you on the matter since you'll just say you don't believe me regardless of what I tell you. 

I like how now that I am in charge of the wiki, and I am in charge I have the same authority Yumei did, people are saying, "The wiki was fine without staff!" Well why did we get new staff then? Your bias against me is palpable. Not a sigle person said during the staff elections that the wiki was fine being lawless and we didn't need any new staff members. 

I've already addressed the attempt to use a loophole to get around the inactivity rule and noted that I did not find it to be acceptable. The unnamed scroll is also a canon item and was claimed under the same inactivity rule. I do apologize because I too could have sworn that rule was on the claimed page, I will address that shortly.

I'm sorry that this has made people this upset, I knew they'd be annoyed losing their things but this is a little much don't you think? Such is life I suppose, you will get over it. 

As I have said before the inactivity clause is not up for debate. I made this decision after being asked to by several people and checking to make sure the items were all sealed for at least 90 days and they were. There is nothing to discuss and I'm not interested in hearing what excuses and lies Kiri can think up for this, we've had to deal with that for years on SL but that doesn't fly on the wikia anymore.

As I mentioned before I am not being unfair, people were just no longer comfortable giving you leeway with the rules when Kiri has been so unreasonable to deal with in recent months. You've got no one to blame for this but yourselves. 

Well everyone edit warring things was why we wanted to get new staff to begin with. It was lawless and most people just didn't care enough to do anything about it. 

People being pissed off with Kiri is why we stopped giving them leeway to fudge the rules and claimed the inactive swords. There was never an allowance for items to just be nebulously claimed by a group of people while no one is actually possessing them. No one did anything about it before because there was no reason to do it, no one felt like arguing with them. Now people are ticked at Kiri ignoring the rules whenever they feel like it so I was asked to enforce these rules on them and I did. 

Kirigakure can rp whatever they want on SL. I have no authority there nor do I or anyone else care what they rp. As I mentioned I fully expected them to ignore every attempt at compromise as they always do. If you cannot grasp why I am allowed to enfore the wiki rules as the head admin then I don't know what to tell you.  

As with most SL things it was communally agreed upon that there would be an acitivity clause for claimed items. Some say 60 but I think 90 is fine. I believe the topic was some time ago. Like a year ago before I came back. 

Eric I think I described the situation pretty succintly in my response. If you have any further questions after reading that pm me. 

Here's a page you all should read.

http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Assuming_good_faith

Yes Kayenta I do have this weird belief in my right as highest ranking staff member to enforce the rules. I'll end my replies directed at you there. 

Xia. As I told Dart, as I told Mioku, and as I would have told you, had you not put me on ignore last time I suggested Kirigakure's mulish behavior might contributing to their recent woes, there are rules for the canon items claims list.

The rule enforced is an inactivity clause. If the holder of a canon item is inactive for a period of 90 days than the item can be claimed, first come first serve, by whoever takes them. This is to make sure that the items from the series that we all know and like stay available to be interacted with in the world at large. Kirigakure has had those four swords listed as sealed for upwards of a year now. That was never something it was agreed you could do, it is just something you did on your own. 

Yes, I was told Gitsune occasionally pulls the swords out of storage and spars with something before putting them back. That is a loophole in the rules and one that I am not allowing. You could keep the swords sealed away for 89 days, dust them off and swing them around, and then put them back in storage. That is not the kind of behavior I want to encourage. 

Believe it or not this was not even my idea. I knew for a time that, yes, your swords could be claimed with the inactivity clause. I had no reason to kick the hornets nest that is Kirigakure's sense of entitlement though. However with your recent trampling of the bijuu rules, frequent large arguments, and utter refusal to compromise with anyone, you've pissed alot of people off. Those people who were also willing to let your sealed claims slide were no longer willing to do so, they got tired of you deciding you get to choose what rules you get to follow,while also insisting everyone do everything just the way you want it. So they came to me as they knew that I would be willing to enforce rules, the only rules you could be forced to follow.

So yes the swords do not belong to Kiri anymore, that is not up for debate. Your swords are not special, they are not exempt to the canon claims rules. You did not invent them they were made by Kishimoto and belong not to you, the Swordsmen, or even Kiri, but to the community as a whole. 

I suggested to Mioku that we do an rp where Kiri tracks down who stole the swords and attempt to get them back. Dart just wanted to fight and I agreed to that as well, I would be willing to fight all the swordsmen to determine ownership of the blades. I did not expect you to take either of those options though, I expected you to cross your arms, scowl, and go, "No! Everything has to be OUR way!" Because that has been Kirigakure's go to response for about a decade now. The fact that this topic even exists forces me to assume that that is the option you went with. 

The only thing childish here is Kirigakure's stubborness and sense of entitlement and I'm sorry to say that I just do not care about either at all. Both of the options I presented about the rp and the fight are still on the table. If Kiri wants to take either of them we can discuss them further. 

Xia, Kay, since your both here I am giving you both an official warning now. Edit warring on the wiki is not going to be tolerated. I am changing the claims list back, and if either of you edit it again you will be banned for a week. If you do it again you will be banned for a month. If you do it a third time you will be banned permenantly. If anyone else does it they will receive one warning before receiving a ban. Believe it or not using bans to enforce the rules of the wiki is not an abuse of my powers. 

I can only hope that this might finally teach you guys to change your tune. Being willing to compromise with people and not considering yourself above the rules is going to save you guys a lot of problems in the future.

Tis complete! The wiki Overlords approved our request. Since the vote was very close at the time I sent in the ticket I was given Admin and Bureaucrat rights and Shades was given Admin rights. If Hades still wants to do it I will give him admin rights too. 

Good to know! I did count your vote Xia, just to make sure there was not anything left to debate.

Since Kamui had already sent in the ticket for admin rights before this discussion was made I merely editted it to reflect the state of our discussion after the required time of 1 week. That can be seen here.

http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Adoption:Naruto_Profile_Wiki?t=20151123035434

And hopefully we will have some responses, and new staff members, soon. :)  

I messaged him, but even counting his vote right now it stands at 12 me and 10 for Yomi, and it has been 7 days. I'm going to send in the ticket for transfer of admin rights now. Obviously this topic will remain open and can continue to be used for discussing this process. If I am granted admin rights I would certainly like Yomi and Hades to be Admin/Mods, if they are still interested. 

Noted Hotaru's vote, the second new vote for me is from TheCurse, who asked me to note it for him. 

Le Evidence: http://s1.postimg.org/9yjclz072/Curse.jpg